Before we look at the career and hear some of the great songs that you've written over er, over the years and also look at the new album, which is "Do Not Bend".Talking about song writing, as I say, you've written some great songs over the years, what's your first song-writing memory?So I can physically play the piano, so I could play anything that would be sampled from a keyboard.

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If you can somehow emulate that feel, and we call these things on, on MIDI programmes grooves now, you use a MIDI groove and you, say you wanted a song - that little riff there actually came from the feel on Wilson Pickett's Midnight Hour...

the feel, the lovely drum feel on it so a good way to do it is to take a couple of bars of your favourite song, put it in your computer as a rhythm, just as a rhythm and then write your song on top of that rhythm. There are tons of drum loops available on CD's, but they're not always great grooves, but if you've got a song you really love and you'd love to write a song like that, use the song itself, it's rhythm.

But, um, you know what I mean, once you've got the vehicle for the words, somebody else's words, then you get your melody, your melody arrives, your chord sequence arrives, then you change the words to what you want to say, your words.

That's another little trick I'd noticed people using.

I was the lead guitarist with Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders until Wayne left for a solo career and I took over as lead vocal.

And, um, we wrote a song which was highly based on a Beatles track, I should say nicked from a Beatles track, called Long Time Coming.You are listening to "I write the songs" here on BBC Radio Wales, with me, Alan Thompson.And I'm delighted to say my special guest on the programme today, having a chat about his lengthy career and playing some live music, we've popped up to London today to Maida Vale Studios here in London to meet the one and only Mr Eric Stewart. We've had some great songwriters over the recent months on the programme, and I'm really pleased that you can do the programme today for us.But you don't play that song - what you do, you sit down there, say I'm doing a, say I'm doing a song like 'Yesterday' - 'yesterday, love was such an easy game to play' but you want to do a rock 'n' roll song, but you use those words to, to scan the songs instead and so you might be doing and you use those words as your vehicle, to get a melody and a chord sequence sorted out.That was a very crude, crude version, I'm embarrassed to say, sorry, Paul.You, you play everything on the album really, er, there's a couple of er, sort of backing vocalists but basically it's Eric Stewart. With the song-writing process, I'm curious because you've written with so many people over the years, obviously Graham Gouldman and the, the other members from 10cc, plus Paul Mc Cartney and other people.